0 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Our next set of questions has to do with meetings. 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:11,000 When do you meet? What about Sundays? 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:16,000 Well, the first thing I'd like to do is…for a small donation… :) [using a non-serious tone and smiling] 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,000 :) [laughing] 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Um, this book is called Meetings in His Kingdom: Jesus Personally Leading His Church in Home, City and Multi-City Gatherings. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,000 And there are some other booklets on related subjects. 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:41,000 They are all totally and absolutely free--always have been and always will be--as God provides the source for printing them. 7 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:47,000 I don’t think it is proper for anyone to “peddle God’s word for profit.” 8 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:56,000 I know I’m making a statement that is going to be difficult to deal with, along with the 5,000 other difficult things we have talked about already. 9 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:03,000 In any event, that book has a lot of practical details, as well as vision, about how things could look where you are 10 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,000 and about what you can do if what you see around you isn’t what God wants. 11 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:14,000 You’ll find some practical insight into the workings of relationships and gatherings and so on. 12 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:27,000 So that book will be helpful in answering the question "When do you meet? What about Sunday?" 13 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:33,000 But, here’s a little bit of biblical thought and then some practical considerations. 14 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:41,000 First of all, it’s a commonly accepted thing in Christendom that Sunday is the "Christian day". 15 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Saturday was Jewish day, Friday is Muslim day, and Sunday is Christian day--that’s the way things have generally been viewed. 16 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 But if you go back and take an honest look at the New Testament, 17 00:01:52,000 --> 00:02:01,000 the emphasis on Sunday then, and the emphasis on Sunday now, are just radically different (they are leagues apart). 18 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:08,000 I don’t think that's right. I think that if there was an emphasis on Sunday then, there should be now. 19 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:15,000 If there is an emphasis on no particular day of the week then, that’s the way it should be now. 20 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:26,000 There really isn’t any cause to do things differently than the way God's people did under the leadership of Jesus and the holy apostles. 21 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:34,000 So I’d really ask you to look with integrity and honesty at the book of Acts and at Paul’s letters, 22 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:42,000 commonly referred to as the Epistles, and see if you really see Sunday as "Christian day." 23 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:59,000 I’ll grant you Jesus rose on the first day of the week, and that’s marvelous. There’s a prophetic fulfillment there, and that’s good. 24 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:07,000 But it really doesn’t have anything to do with what we’re supposed to do as Christians in the church, unless Jesus said otherwise. 25 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:19,000 If you look in the book of Acts, the Holy Spirit’s record of how the church functioned under Jesus’ leadership in the post-resurrection era, 26 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,000 you see the phrase “first day of the week” show up in Acts 20. 27 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:32,000 That’s it--the only place in the entire record where anyone that I know has been able to find a reference to that day of the week. 28 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:40,000 That single historical reference in the book of Acts says that the church gathered together, and it happened to be the first day of the week. 29 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:46,000 They met until after midnight--and broke bread apparently after midnight, which would have been the second day of the week. 30 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,000 So, all those things are somewhat controversial. 31 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:58,000 But the point is simply this: if someone were to take an honest look at our lives together as Christians and make a record, 32 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:04,000 it ought to come out fairly similar to the book of Acts in terms of what we emphasize, what our priorities are, 33 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:11,000 how we live together, what the guiding principles of our lives are, and what things are important to us. 34 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Frankly, the New Testament does not support the idea that the Sabbath day on Saturday changed to a Christian Sabbath day on Sunday, 35 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:26,000 where Christians should dress up on Sunday morning from 9 to 11 and attend a “service.” 36 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,000 That idea is not in the New Testament. 37 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Out of the entire New Testament, after the Gospels and Acts, you can find reference to the first day of the week exactly one other time. 38 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:48,000 That’s in 1 Corinthians 16 when Paul instructs the church to “lay by in store” on the first day of the week. 39 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,000 The passage says nothing about taking up "collection", per say, on that particular day. 40 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:58,000 It doesn’t say anything about corporate meetings. It doesn’t speak of passing a hat or a basket during a worship service. 41 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:04,000 The phrase doesn’t even necessarily imply that the believers were to do anything more than "lay by in store" in their own homes, 42 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:10,000 so that when Paul came to take this money and give it to the needy saints, 43 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:15,000 it perhaps wouldn’t be such a big strain on them to get the money together. 44 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:20,000 The money would have already been earmarked for that particular purpose. 45 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,000 It wasn’t a standard collection that was to go into a standard treasury 46 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 at a standard Sunday morning worship service. 47 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:34,000 There was a particular need Paul had indicated by letter, perhaps a year and a half after he was gone from Corinth. 48 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,000 He wrote them and asked them to begin to gather funds. 49 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:43,000 It apparently wasn't something that they did on a weekly basis, as a collection, as a way of life, 50 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,000 during the year and a half that Paul had been in their city. 51 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:54,000 It was something he suggested some time later for a specific purpose: to care for the needy in another part of the world. 52 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,000 There was no indication that any kind of collection would continue indefinitely afterwards. 53 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Anyway, to tie that passage into a ritual of passing a basket on a Sunday morning worship service is really stretching things a long, long way. 54 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:13,000 I’m certainly not against it if the saints are together on the first (or any) day of the week, and a particular need comes up, 55 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:25,000 and someone says, “Hey, if anybody has anything to contribute towards the needy saints in Portugal, please drop it by. 56 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,000 I’ll be standing over here in this corner afterwards.” That’s organic. 57 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:36,000 That’s very similar to what Paul was saying. It was organic giving, not related to some holy day. 58 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:43,000 Paul said to one church, “I fear I’ve wasted my time on you because you count one day as more holy or more sacred than another.” 59 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:51,000 I think we also have instruction not to judge someone who holds one day as more holy than another (Romans 14). 60 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,000 But on the other hand, that’s listed along with meat sacrificed to idols 61 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:00,000 and other things being something one with weaker faith would hold to. 62 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:07,000 I don’t think anybody who’s listening to this would want to end their life with “weaker” faith. 63 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:15,000 Paul referred to the one who holds one day as more sacred than another, rather than each day alike, as having weaker faith. 64 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,000 I’d encourage you to really look into this whole matter. 65 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:26,000 Now we are to be devoted to having gatherings, “not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together.” 66 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:33,000 But it’s really important that we look at that phrase through honest eyes, not through the eyes of twentieth century Christendom, 67 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,000 which shows attending a synagogue-type service on Sunday instead of on Saturday 68 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:42,000 --listening to a sermon, singing some songs, punching out, and going home. 69 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:52,000 That idea isn’t in the New Testament. I wish it were--it would be easier and far less controversial. 70 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,000 But look at the fruit of just attending something. Lives aren’t changed. 71 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Homes, teenagers, and lives are destroyed because there is such a lack of that family relationship 72 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:08,000 and so little input of the word of God daily into each other’s lives. 73 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,000 We desperately need the real thing. And anything that stands in the way of this reality isn’t innocent. 74 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Anything that is a tradition of men, Jesus said, nullifies the word of God. 75 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:24,000 I used to have a big argument with God when I was a leader, in the traditional sense, in a church. 76 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 I said, “God, You promised Your Word wouldn’t return void. 77 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:32,000 And yet, even though we have had a lot of people come to Christ, and plenty of neat things have happened, 78 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:37,000 there are still so many other things that seem like they just won’t change. 79 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:42,000 There doesn’t seem to be anything I or anybody else can do to change them.” 80 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:50,000 I just pleaded with God to show me why the scripture didn’t seem to be true, that His Word would not return void. 81 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:56,000 I discovered a couple of things in the process of begging God for some insight. 82 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:01,000 First, the promise of His Word not returning void doesn’t mean everything always turns out great. 83 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:07,000 His Word can be, as Paul would say, the aroma of life to some and the stench of death to others. 84 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:13,000 To some it might bring conversion and great maturity, while to others the same Word would bring great anger and fury, 85 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:19,000 exposing their hearts for what’s really there--animosity, envy, and other works of the flesh. 86 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:26,000 So “His Word not returning void” could mean either the aroma of life or the stench of death--a fact I hadn’t considered. 87