Vineyard/Sinyard

3/31/2010

As I was driving home from work today it occurred to me that although I work for a secular corporation with no pretense of being a Christian organization, I almost never hear any foul language at work. That doesn’t make my company spiritually OK, of course, but nevertheless there is a culture of professionalism among the employees I work with. And of course I have never heard one word in nearly 25 years in the church here.

As _____ has been “attending” sunday and home meetings now, it sounds like she has heard more foul disgusting language and innuendo, and of more immorality, in the last month at the “Vineyard” than I have heard in the last two years at my workplace. That’s really saying something when the culture of a place which is supposed to represent Jesus and His righteousness falls **far** below the standard of a secular sales office.

—Kevin

Ditto to what Kevin said. I can’t imagine a more worldly environment than a State University (with 60,000 students) such as where I do my research and work. But I haven’t heard as much foul language and innuendo in my entire 24 years at my job as she’s heard in the last month “going to church”! If you “want” to hear that kind of junk on campus, you need to go to the fraternities or bars, or hang out with the students loitering in between classes. EVEN the atheistic professors, and the buddhist and hindu and muslim grad students, are much too professional to carry on with foul language and innuendos like that at work…

—Dan

(Vineyards in Indianapolis and Columbus, at least, are apparently deep into darkness and perversion, under the deceptive claims and cloak of “reaching out.” That can’t be true, however, since these are their own “members” and “leaders” justifying darkness in speech and life with fake Laodicean “definitions” of “grace” and “love” and “church” and practice of evil unabated. Perhaps, hopefully, not all Vineyards so defame Jesus and His Life and misrepresent Him to the world with rampant immorality and very foul speech. Perhaps others, certainly others in other countries, embrace the Truth of what is said below by Bonhoeffer, which reflects clearly the Teaching of Jesus, John, Peter, Paul, Jude and the Scriptures.)

“Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession, absolution without personal confession. Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the Cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate. Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate. Costly grace is the treasure hidden in the field; for the sake of it a man will gladly go and sell all that he has. It is the pearl of great price to buy which the merchant will sell all his goods. It is the kingly rule of Christ, for whose sake a man will pluck out the eye which causes him to stumble, it is the call of Jesus Christ at which the disciple leaves his nets and follows him.” (Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship.)

addendum three years later:

Columbus Mega-Church Seeks Injunction For Protesters

7:51AM

July 8, 2013

By The Associated Press

Members of Minutemen United have directed months of protests at the Vineyard Columbus church because of what the group calls its "passive resistance" to abortion and gay marriage.

A Columbus mega-church is going to court to try to stop a national conservative Christian group from protesting near the church’s parking lot. Members of Minutemen United have directed months of protests at the Vineyard Columbus church because of what the group calls its “passive resistance” to abortion and gay marriage. The senior pastor, the Rev. Rich Nathan, says he’s tired of it and got a restraining order to try to keep them away. James Harrison, local leader of the protest group, says the 8,500-member church does not speak out against homosexuality and abortion, helps women recover from abortions and accepts gay members.

Nathan says the church is anti-abortion and against gay marriage, but it has a mission of "broad and inclusive" boundaries.

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